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Night Eyes
11-25-2017, 11:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-25-2017, 11:54 AM by AtticaFish.)
#71
RE: Night Eyes
Wow, those are interesting spoons.  Don't know that i have ever seen anything quite like those.  I will have to look around and see if i can find anything similar to them here in the states.  Getting a lure to go as slow as you can and keep it out of the rocks is usually the ticket for me.  I may need to look into some double hooks to.  I have some 'trolling' spoons that i could cast, but they all have treble hooks and can imagine i would loose them as soon as they ticked a rock.  Your canal fishing sounds pretty amazing. That looks like a good one you caught.   I can't imagine one of those fish pushing a meter long.   Bigfish

One thing i have never figured out about theses fish (walleye and saugeye of course, no zander here except at the grocery store) is the how-when-why they relate to the bottom or suspend up high.  I can get out one night and point a light out to deep water and see eyes zipping fast all over the place only a couple inches below the water.  Other nights, all you see is a very dim glow of their eyes as they are hugging the bottom in 6 feet or less of water.  Keep in mind, there are now roaming schools of baitfish in this lake.... no shad or shiners.  When i see the walleye out deep and up high in the water, my confidence drops because it seems like i don't catch as many fish.  I get bites but it is more like they are just on a temper tantrum and swimming around hitting things instead of eating.  When i see them down deep in the shadows, it gets my heart pumping because i think they are feeding on all the bluegill, bass, yellow perch and crawfish that stay very close to the bottom after dark.  The majority of the fish i catch are from that shallow water while casting  parallel along the bank.  Sometimes the big fish sit in a foot of water or less.  This is all from the super clear small reservoir i fish a lot.  It has taken me several years of fishing with a lot of skunked nights to work out my game plan.... and i still get a few skunked nights.

If all goes as planned, i am going to try casting off a breakwall on Lake Erie tonight after dark.  A buddy of mine has been up there 2 nights in a row and got skunked both nights.  Lake Erie is called the Walleye Capital in a lot of articles and lake resort publicity, and right now it on a major population boom for walleye because of some extreme ice cover a few years back that allowed an excellent spawning season for them.  A month or so ago, there were guys getting limits (6 fish) off the breakwalls and piers in a couple hours each night.  There were pictures of 40-50 fish on the pier.  Majority of fish are in the 18" to 24" range but a few pushing close to 30".  The walleye in Erie behave very different than the ones in my little hometown reservoir.  The Erie fish right now are doing nothing but chasing large schools of dying shad, so the majority are feeding up high in the water.  Casting those seatrout spoons way way out and keeping them high in the water might be very productive.
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11-25-2017, 12:35 PM,
#72
RE: Night Eyes
(11-25-2017, 11:54 AM)AtticaFish Wrote: I will have to look around and see if i can find anything similar to them here in the states.  Getting a lure to go as slow as you can and keep it out of the rocks is usually the ticket for me.  I may need to look into some double hooks to.

A similar spoon might be a Mepps Syclops.  Double hooks from eBay or Joe's Old Lures where you can sometimes find a really good deal on Norwegian-made Mustads if you're lucky. Wink

(11-25-2017, 11:54 AM)AtticaFish Wrote: Casting those seatrout spoons way way out and keeping them high in the water might be very productive.

I caught walleye on spoons in a Canadian River once when I was too young to know what walleye were.  Retrieve wasn't fast, but steady.  I'd give several appropriately-sized Little Cleo or Krocodile Spoons a good shot.  KO Wobblers, another possibility, cast like a champ, but do have a much wider profile.
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11-25-2017, 05:38 PM,
#73
RE: Night Eyes
I found what seems to be the upgrade of my favorite model. It has rattles - not to my liking when it comes to pressured specimen zander - and comes in 20gr only, thats nearly 3/4 oz.
https://www.profish.se/ismo-zalsa-10-cm-20-gr

If you like it lighter, this one has worked for me too but is not the distance game changer that I´m after.

http://www.wakefishing.com/en/products/l...llow-spoon

Any finnish or swedish webshob with an english menue should ship to the U.S. at a reasonable rate. If not, contact me, they are both available here, too. This is not rocket science, these things are simple to knock off once you have a sample. The Finns are very creative homeshopping them with all sorts of cool stuff like real fish skin and fly tying material embeddet. I was thinking about embedding my beloved shell veneer but have too much other R&D to do that actually matters commercially Smile     

Once you see what works for you, it is of course more satisfying to make one´s own design like this danish fella who runs an excellent youtube channel. In this clip he makes a pike version as it is also very popular in Finland. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6quSaOSq20

Unsatisfied with my selection of double hooks, I just bend a triple in shape and cut of the third bow. I don´t trust open ones anyway.
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11-25-2017, 09:18 PM,
#74
RE: Night Eyes
Do Scandinavian baitfish swim backwards ?

Are these not available in the EU ?
https://www.barlowstackle.com/Gamakatsu-...P1940.aspx
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11-26-2017, 01:50 AM,
#75
RE: Night Eyes
Hey hey hey, what do you know? The Erie walleye like the big swimbaits too.  Guessing i was the only one on the breakwall using them, everyone else appeared to be using some type of long skinny crankbait.  Saw 6 other good size fish caught too, most were caught all in one quick rush and then the nets seemed to stop.  I walked way out to the end of the breakwall hoping to squeeze in between some other anglers, but decided to fish into the wind (no one else wanted to stand into the 25mph gusts) instead of bumping elbows.   Took some serious arm power to cast the large profile swimbait on a 1/8 oz had, but was well worth it.

26" Erie walleye
Caught on 5" Kalin's swimbait, bluegill color.
1/8 oz. premium hook head
Lift and drop retrieve on the bottom

   

   

   
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11-26-2017, 05:21 AM,
#76
RE: Night Eyes
(11-25-2017, 09:18 PM)Hawnjigs Wrote: Do Scandinavian baitfish swim backwards ?

Are these not available in the EU ?
https://www.barlowstackle.com/Gamakatsu-...P1940.aspx

Danish seatrout anglers have actually done extensive semi-scientific field testing on eye placement and argue they had better results at the rear (hook-) end. They say the fish would strike right for them. Many species feature false eye spots on their tails so there might be something to it. I personally favor the "right" way though, it just looks better to me. That being said, I use the Do-It Shad spoon in both ways with confidence, not waisting a thought on the issue.

Those Gamis are sure nice but "America First" has given me second thoughts about avoidable US imports so I turned to VMC directly where I was granted both a manufacturer and a retailer account. We are speaking 80-150$ a 1,000 pack. Combine that with the distribution- supply-. and pricing policy of Gamakatsu, that pretty much narrows it. We have practically no homeshop lurecrafting market here so their German exclusive distributor refused my pledge (for small seawash hooks) and said they only do business with whole scale tackle retailers.  

@AF that is a beautyfull fish, congrats! I could never bring myself to fish on the bottom at night, I find the line control too demanding. The zander seem to press their forage over the clean sole against the rocky embankment before they strike which leaves you with a very slim window between strike zone and snag zone. We just try working the surface and turn back to daylight fishing later into the winter.
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11-26-2017, 08:57 AM,
#77
RE: Night Eyes
That's a nice fish. Cool
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11-27-2017, 05:22 PM,
#78
RE: Night Eyes
Attica - now THATS a meal!
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11-28-2017, 12:29 AM,
#79
RE: Night Eyes
Very nice eye. It does seem like a 1/8 is not heavy enough for the 5" swim baits. What size hook was in that head? Fish that size has no problem swallowing a bait that size. I think 1/4 or heavier with a 3/0-4/0 would be better suited when using swim baits that size .A 6/0 Mustad ULTRAPOINT has a hook gap of 3/4" so that eye could easily swallow that. Can you show a picture of the head you were using? I recently did a mod on one of my molds and can put up to a 6/0 on a 1/4 oz head. That Kalins bluegill is a great color, caught some nice fish on that here too over the years.
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11-28-2017, 09:34 AM,
#80
RE: Night Eyes
(11-28-2017, 12:29 AM)JUNGLEJIM1 Wrote: Very nice eye. It does seem like a 1/8 is not heavy enough for the 5" swim baits. ...

When I first read this I was surprised to learn the bait was worked on the bottom. I would rather relate it to an open water presentation. Maybe the slow fall did the trick.
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